BSG discussion: Spoilers!

[Skelas]

Can you say Deux ex machina? Jesus christ, what a steaming pile of shit ending.

So, Kara is an 'angel'? Great. We're just gonna assimilate into fricken neanderthal culture? Why? How does that change anything?

Hera is the savior of both Cylons and Humans because of the stupid song? How would that save the cylons?

So, our final ending is, we find another earth like planet, where we decide to go native, and it's all 'God's will' Wow...... What a crazy and exciting twist! God's will! That fixes everything!

What about the cylon colony? What happened to it? How did Galactica get a message to the fleet to come there? Didn't they have to meet them at the rendevouz in 12 hours or the fleet was going to leave?

The opera house! What the fuck? So it was just a foreshadowing of the showdown in the CIC? Great, just great.

I am so let down by this.

Funny thing is, if you head over to the Televison without Pity boards people seem to think it was the greatest finale of all time.

I don't.

I think it was the biggest copout of all time.

[Jakensama]

They sent a shuttle or whatever to meet up with the fleet, someone mentioned it ("We were relieved to see that shuttle jump in" or something.

Agree with all your other complaints.

I'd be pissed too if all the civilized chicks were taken and you ended up having to mate with some smelly neanderthal.

[Ulfen]

I liked the ending for the most part. It left us with just as many questions as answers. It is almost like an alternate religion. The events that took place require no more of a "leap of faith" than any other religion.

I was happy to see my least favorite characters Laura and Tory die, as well as seeing my favorite character Gauis step up to the plate at the end. He was always conflicted and morally gray throughout the series and I'm glad the writers decided to answer the questions about what type of person he really was.

Vanraw does make a good point about Kara disappearing being a cop out, I would have liked to have seen something more memorable than vanishing. Also can somebody explain to me what exactly the Gauis and Six visions were? At first I thought Gauis and Six were prophets and God was talking to them through the visions, but it confused me at the end when the visions were strolling around modern times. Were they angels too or was their appearance at the end just the medium they used to slap the viewers in the face with a lesson in ethics?

[Singularity]

Boo @ the ending, if they told me to go live like a tribal farmer I'd say go fuck yourself and assume you could get enough people to form up a proper city to go along with you. Then I would send my turned natives and descendants with actual scientific understanding against the retards who decided to go play a game of civilization from scratch.

^This^

I'd join the "let's make a city" group, then live out my days in my new mansion. On weekends i'd order pizza and beer, then spend my time banging hot cylon chicks trying to make a baby to carry on the 'human' race.

But hey enjoy your tents! I hear leftover gazelle tastes like it sounds.

[Slamz]

And what's with Baltar's "you know it doesn't like being called that" in response to Caprica's statement...something about "God's plan".

And what the fuck were they doing there, anyway? Baltar invented resurrection? They're immortal?

And Kara just goes "poof"? WTF?

And yeah... Lee Adama wants to spend his days doing as little as possible? Do you know how much work you'd have to do if you got rid of technology? A lot! Just making the damn soap would take hours! This is that old over-glorification of the simple life, isn't it? The one before the evil corporations and cities took over our lives? Well good luck with that.



ANYway... so yeah.

That was God's plan, Six and Baltar are immortal and Kara can vanish into thin air and humanity, on a whim of Lee Adama, decides they'd rather just learn to hunt gazelle with sharp sticks, The End.

Fantastic.

(Also, if you're going to execute someone, at least shoot them in the head. Shooting them 15 times in the stomach is just rude.)


I also started fast forwarding through the flashbacks. After the first one or two I was like, "...did that advance the story in any way? WTF was the point of that?" So I started skipping them. Occasionally I'd stop and see if they were saying anything I'd care about but they never were. They were basically just doing character development in the final episode. What's the point of that?!


Basically, BSG overall is a good show but these writers need to come down out of the clouds and remember how to tell a story that maybe has some kind of plan to it and isn't simply inventing stuff as it goes along.

[Ulfen]

And what's with Baltar's "you know it doesn't like being called that" in response to Caprica's statement...something about "God's plan".

And what the fuck were they doing there, anyway? Baltar invented resurrection? They're immortal?

That is the part I was trying to figure out, were they really there (immortals) or were they used by the writers to tie up loose ends for the viewers? Perhaps they are time lords from the planet Gallifrey, I just don't know.

[Hoofhurr]

Guarantee that all the shows written this way end with as many questions and as unsatisfactorily. You know they just make it all up as they go along. All the big revelations already happened. Lost will be the same. Starts off with a single event and spirals out from the physical to the meta physical to the philosophical to the religious. All the fantasy series of more than three books go the same route.

[Zouji]

If you guys had watched some of the Behind the Scenes shows they have had then you would know the original creators hashed out most of the plot and storyline while drunk in a bar(s).

I liked the ending. It was a lot happier than what myself and my brother were expecting. I was thinking that when the Chief snapped Tori's neck and hell broke loose that everyone was just going to die then and there.

Well Cara ended up being the Angel of Death and leading them all to there doom anyway. I wouldn't call landing and going primitive with the natives to be salvation.

And what's with Baltar's "you know it doesn't like being called that" in response to Caprica's statement...something about "God's plan".

It could just as easily be Satan as it would be God. I mean the primitive earthlings had no technology and some might say they existed in peace with nature. Then the Battlestar people came along and corrupted them and thus the future shows that the humans were just as decadent as those on Caprica or Cobol. Those "Angels" never seemed very Angelic to me. They fit the description of modern Demons much more accurately. Exceedingly beautiful, also full of sin (having sex with humans and cylons), arrogant, and they also lied on many occasions.

[Jakensama]

If you guys had watched some of the Behind the Scenes shows they have had then you would know the original creators hashed out most of the plot and storyline while drunk in a bar(s).

Apparently they hashed out the last half of this episode at 2:45 am after 37 shots of Jägermeister.

Seriously, too, they very end where it showed what happened to the main characters took longer than the stupid ending of return of the king.

Also, National Geographic says Hera died young, but she had still been able to shag enough cro-mags to become Mitochondrial Eve.

[Dustie]

If you guys had watched some of the Behind the Scenes shows they have had then you would know the original creators hashed out most of the plot and storyline while drunk in a bar(s).

I liked the ending. It was a lot happier than what myself and my brother were expecting. I was thinking that when the Chief snapped Tori's neck and hell broke loose that everyone was just going to die then and there.

Well Cara ended up being the Angel of Death and leading them all to there doom anyway. I wouldn't call landing and going primitive with the natives to be salvation.

And what's with Baltar's "you know it doesn't like being called that" in response to Caprica's statement...something about "God's plan".

It could just as easily be Satan as it would be God. I mean the primitive earthlings had no technology and some might say they existed in peace with nature. Then the Battlestar people came along and corrupted them and thus the future shows that the humans were just as decadent as those on Caprica or Cobol. Those "Angels" never seemed very Angelic to me. They fit the description of modern Demons much more accurately. Exceedingly beautiful, also full of sin (having sex with humans and cylons), arrogant, and they also lied on many occasions.

I think the point was that the "god" was neither good nor evil. "People made up that idea"



I liked the ending. But then again, I support getting rid of technology before it gets rid of us. =)
I'm also one of those crazy people that's comfortable with angels and God etc so that might bias me.

While it was sloppy, I really liked the ending. I'm glad it wasn't completely dark and depressing. They couldn't resist taking Admiral Adama to new lows (puking on himself this time) but hey, that was a flashback.

[Vllad]

Guarantee that all the shows written this way end with as many questions and as unsatisfactorily. You know they just make it all up as they go along. All the big revelations already happened. Lost will be the same. Starts off with a single event and spirals out from the physical to the meta physical to the philosophical to the religious. All the fantasy series of more than three books go the same route.

Not the "Lost Regiment" series.


Vllad

[Flab]

I hope you get eaten by the TUgar.

[Vanraw]

I'm so looking forward to the next episode of BSG /p

Looks like SciFi Friday is a complete bust now.

[Ulfen]

Yeah, remember the good old days when MTV played music, G4TV had shows about technology and games, and Scifi had science fiction shows. They are all now the Reali-ghey networks.

[Breand]

Consider me one of the few that enjoyed the ending. Yes, there was massive holes and some silly crap (does anyone remember that the lawyer who was handed the presidency used to walk around with his dead cat in a duffel bag for chrissakes) but I still found it pretty satisfying when I compare it against other finales. You can't argue that the big epic battle thing was pretty cool.

My one complaint is that the entire second half of the season should have been the finale. This second-half was so boring, and it was obvious they were just killing time until the finale, they should have just spread the whole thing out to better give the proper send offs to characters.

And to the complainers, that's what happens when you put faith in Ronald D. Moore. Brilliant script writer, but he always delves way too into the spiritual, and throughout his career has held a certain amount of contempt for his audience. He is one to always give the opposite of what the public wants because he doesn't think the audience should dictate his vision.