(05-01-2019, 06:32 PM)strife Wrote:(05-01-2019, 03:28 PM)Vllad Wrote: People have serious problems keeping book and other media mediums separated
Yes the battle plan was pretty stupid and the Dothraki were completely wasted for no reason. Yes the dragons were used poorly.
I have seen this complaint but no one actually offers any opinions on what exactly they should have done that creates a different outcome.
The Dothraki were used how they always fight. It didn't matter how they were used the entire army was going to die anyway. There was no beating the army of the dead conventionally. They could have left the Dothraki in the castle but they weren't much good there. As they explained last episode, the army was there to buy time. The Dothraki did that.
The Dragon thing I don't get at all.
The used the dragons to burn undead. Once Jon finds the White Walkers he tries to burn them as well. The NK brings a big storm in and then the dragons are useless because they can't see. Chalk a win up to the NK. Once the trench is lit Danny burns more Wights while Jon waits at the Godswood for the NK. Once the NK shows up they both use the dragons to fight the NK until eventually they lose their dragons. They actually succeeded in trying to burn the NK but it failed. In my opinion the Dragons were used perfectly but as we find out in the episode the Dragons were no more useful then just trying to buy more time. Short of using the dragons to fly away what more could 2 dragons do? They weren't going to save the army, it wasn't enough dragons to burn all the undead and they are constantly at risk of being killed.
The Night King played it perfectly.
He kept White Walkers out of the fight so they didn't die and he loses his army. He wasn't foolish enough to engage in 1v1 combat without his dragon, he destroyed the army protecting Bran and went for him with a full compliment of guards. He has the Dragon protect the entrance of the Godswood so no one could get in. All he had to do was kill Theon and Bran was his.
You could make a case they should have tried to assassinate him before he got to Winterfell but without his army engaged that probably wasn't going to succeed. To the me the entire sequence makes perfect sense. There was only two possible outcomes strategically. Assassinate the NK or everyone dies.
Jon didn't make it but Arya did. The NK dies so therefore the Wight Walkers and the Dragon dies, once the White Walkers die the Wights die. That is exactly how it played out.
This brings me back to my original comments about Angry Joe. What he doesn't seem to understand is there was no beating the army of the dead. They slaughtered everyone in the field, shit they took Winterfell very quickly vs. the "largest army ever assembled". Complaining about Military plans means nothing the outcome was always going to be the same.
B&W stayed true to GRRM story that the undead army can't be beat. It wasn't beaten during Brand the Builders time either. As Zouji said earlier it came down to assassination or death. Any complaints by Angry Joe just shows he was selectively paying attention.