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Swine Flu - Hoofhurr - 04-27-2009
This is some interesting shit. Particularly because I'm like 6 hours from the border in Arizona. There are already a few reported cases in the US but mostly in California and Texas, the lesser of the border states ( :lol: ).
Anyway, it's a good thing that we have been ramping up our national emergency response to lesser strains of the Flu but I'd reckon we are still woefully unprepared for this swine flu should it reach epidemic proportions.
They are already notifying us on the radio about good hygiene practices and social isolation to retard the rate of infection. Fucking hope I don't get it.
- Thudz - 04-27-2009
From what I've heard the cases in the US are mild compared to the cases in Mexico where people have already started dieing. There are already cases in Ohio, New York and Florida as well. At this point I'm not worried. When people in the US start dropping dead at a pretty good clip I'll consider this different from any other strain of the flu.
- Hoofhurr - 04-27-2009
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Figured I'd add some historical context.
Re: Swine Flu - Dustie - 04-27-2009
Hoofhurr Wrote:This is some interesting shit. Particularly because I'm like 6 hours from the border in Arizona. There are already a few reported cases in the US but mostly in California and Texas, the lesser of the border states ( :lol: ).
Anyway, it's a good thing that we have been ramping up our national emergency response to lesser strains of the Flu but I'd reckon we are still woefully unprepared for this swine flu should it reach epidemic proportions.
They are already notifying us on the radio about good hygiene practices and social isolation to retard the rate of infection. Fucking hope I don't get it.
Wow. And it's not just in that area now. Cases in New York and Ohio, 20 cases all together in the US. A high school freshman in my area just died from what they thought was mono. I wonder if they'll re-examine that now.
- Jakensama - 04-27-2009
20 cases??
<img src="http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l318/HH63qg8bYY/everybody_panic.gif">
- Dustie - 04-27-2009
Jakensama Wrote:20 cases?? Everybody Panic!!!
And me, still without my AR-15!
- Jakensama - 04-27-2009
You are going to be shit out of luck when they find out the final stage of this disease turns people into zombies.
I'm screwed if this passes the ocean, I think the germans put pork in the tap water.
- Hoofhurr - 04-27-2009
20 suspected cases in the US but dozens of people have died in Mexico and they have thousands of cases reported. 30,000 public schools have been closed in Mexico City for a two week period.
I know what you look like Jake. If I turn into a zombie I'm comin to gitchya', Atlantic be damned!
- Gnarnok - 04-27-2009
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- Hoofhurr - 04-27-2009
See it's my opinion that a shotgun does more to increase infection rates than to increase personal safety in the event of a zombie epidemic due to the obvious increase in splatter-radius of blood and brain matter. It's really a surefire way to infect your loved one's who have been cornered in their bedrooms by a raving mad zombie. A rogue, errant fleck of blood in little Timmy's eye and blammo you're the star actor in your own personal familicide horror movie.
It's a medium caliber round to brain stem, spine, or kneecaps imo.
- Dustie - 04-27-2009
I'm with you Hoof. If I become a Zombie, the first thing I'll do is try to act 'normal' for a few days and book a plane ticket to Germany.
- Thudz - 04-27-2009
Hoofhurr Wrote:See it's my opinion that a shotgun does more to increase infection rates than to increase personal safety in the event of a zombie epidemic due to the obvious increase in splatter-radius of blood and brain matter. It's really a surefire way to infect your loved one's who have been cornered in their bedrooms by a raving mad zombie. A rogue, errant fleck of blood in little Timmy's eye and blammo you're the star actor in your own personal familicide horror movie.
It's a medium caliber round to brain stem, spine, or kneecaps imo.
That's why I'm constructing a flamethrower. Or a lightsaber. I haven't decided yet.
- Jakensama - 04-27-2009
Dustie Wrote:I'm with you Hoof. If I become a Zombie, the first thing I'll do is try to act 'normal' for a few days and book a plane ticket to Germany.
You'd never be able to find me through the evil socialist maze of public transportation!
Hoofhurr Wrote:20 suspected cases in the US but dozens of people have died in Mexico and they have thousands of cases reported. 30,000 public schools have been closed in Mexico City for a two week period.
I should hope that we do better in containing our scattered cases than a dense and overpopulated 2nd world city without sanitation, good medical facilities, or proper meat refrigeration.
- Hoofhurr - 04-27-2009
Haha jokes on you. I'd take Omnibus Dreizehn to the Hauptbahnhoff board an ICE and find you in a timely and punctual german manner. :lol:
- Jakensama - 04-27-2009
Fuck, and I live within walking distance of the Hauptbahnhof too..
- Thudz - 04-27-2009
They say the people dieing are dieing because of "Cytokine Storm" which is basically an uncontrolled over reaction by your immune system. This is why the death range right now is 25-50 years old, those that have the strongest immune system.
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- Jakensama - 04-27-2009
Cytokine storm, isn't that a druid talent or something?
- Thudz - 04-27-2009
Real time Google map.
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- Hoofhurr - 04-27-2009
Jakensama Wrote:Cytokine storm, isn't that a druid talent or something?
Stinging Swarm.
- Zouji - 04-27-2009
So if there have been around 30,000 cases with only around 50+ people dead then that means you have around a 0.1%-0.2% chance of dieing. Notice it is not 2% but 0.2%. Reminds me of the South Park episode about the Bird Flu where you had a 0.1% chance of dieing if you got it.
The Regular Flu + Pneumonia has a much greater chance of killing you.
Quote:Pneumonia and Influenza (P&I) Mortality Surveillance*:Source CDC 07-08 Flu Summary
During the 2007--08 influenza season, the percentage of deaths attributed to pneumonia and influenza (P&I) exceeded the epidemic threshold††for 8 consecutive weeks in the 122 Cities Mortality Reporting System during the weeks ending January 12--May 17, 2008 (weeks 9--16). The percentage of P&I deaths peaked at 9.1% during the week ending March 15, 2008 (week 11). During the previous three influenza seasons, the peak percentage of P&I deaths has ranged from 7.7% to 8.9% and the total number of weeks the P&I ratio exceeded the epidemic threshold has ranged from one to 11. The P&I baseline and epidemic threshold values are projected for each season at the onset of that season and are based on data from the previous five years. The robust regression model used to calculate the 122 Cities Mortality Reporting System baseline and epidemic threshold values was recently modified. This new methodology better takes into account shifts in the long term trends of the 122 Cities data, and will be used in the upcoming 2008-09 influenza season to project the baseline and epidemic threshold values.
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- amins - 04-27-2009
Jake either had sex last night or got a hold of some starbucks, cuz he's cheeky as hell today!
- Jakensama - 04-27-2009
The difference they are saying is that the regular flu kills old people and babies where many of those killed by schweine flu have been in their prime.
Its still panic mongering and you still have a better chance of being hit by lightning.
- Jodah - 04-27-2009
Hmmm, for once in my life I'm glad I have a compromised Immune System then!
- Vanraw - 04-27-2009
While 20 cases seems low, its a scary number. For instance, On October 5th 1918, in Des Monies Iowa, 25 cases were idenitifed. The surgeon general issues an order to close public facilities like theaters. But it was to late. 1 week later there were 8100 cases with 70 deaths. 1 week later, 21,000 cases.
During the the same 3 week period New York started with 61 cases. 3 weeks later 4500 were dead in NYC alone.
Globally, when it was over, over 30 million died, 675,000 of those Americans.
Here is a good web site that shows the 1918 pandemic for your state.
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This is cool historical site as well.
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Some of the real concern here is how it is distributed from Mexico. Meaning you usually have hot zone that these things spread from. Containment is done like what Mexico did in Mexico City. Closing down public area's, quarantining etc.
But as you get people leaving Mexico City into the US, it becomes a wildly distributed problem. Once it hits the air ports and such you get into a real management problem.
- Jakensama - 04-27-2009
amins Wrote:Jake either had sex last night or got a hold of some starbucks, cuz he's cheeky as hell today!
I drink starbucks every day so it must be the sex.