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Re: Ole, Ole Ole Ole! - Jakensama - 06-14-2010

Vllad Wrote:Lets face it a 1-1 tie is not only boring it is idiotic. "Hello, You play to win the game!"

Ties are simply stupid even in the NFL, which only exist in order to prevent injuries. I will tell you why Americans don't like soccer. Not enough violence, the great comeback is in impossible and underdogs never win. When it comes to the almighty American public and its money soccer would have to radically change before it wins over the public.

It is simply to boring to watch.

NASCAR is the most popular "sport" in the US, and nothing is more boring than watching people drive around in a circle 300 times in hopes that maybe some wreck will happen. Seriously, as someone who used to tow the line and talk shit about soccer before watching it - I can say I tried to let my redneck NASCAR friends get me into it with an open mind, but upon watching I realized, it was indeed, just driving in a circle.

Baseball is boring to most people in the world and had I not grown up with it, I would probably agree with them.

Being boring does not prevent a sport from being popular in the US, marketing does.

Since moving to Europe and watching real soccer as opposed to the shit we play in America which would qualify in a mediocre countries second league, I can see why it is popular. It certainly isn't my favorite sport by a long shot, but living here has made me open my mind to it and it certainly isn't as bad as the shit it gets.

I do get annoyed by ties, though...


Re: Ole, Ole Ole Ole! - Jakensama - 06-14-2010

Moristans Wrote:First of all, Baseball and Basketball have become international sports, for damn good reason. There is something in those games for everybody.

Baseball and Basketball are indeed popular in places and have become somewhat "international sports", but to compare them to soccer as an international sport is silly. They have taken hold in niche markets. Most of the countries that are good in basketball internationally really have very little national interest in the sport, they just happen to have thrown together good fundamentals (especially in basketball where other countries teams play as teams and we field a court of prima donnas). Baseball is popular primarily in Latin America and Japan largely because of our development of those markets as recruiting leagues, but I wouldn't exactly call it an international sport.

Quote:Has anybody ever heard a non-American Football fan (*cough"Europeans*cough*) talk about American Football and the level of ignorance they show for the game and the guys who play it?

Most of my Euro friends who are actual football fans follow the game with far more knowledge than your average idiot at a bar who watches football. The ones here who actually have taste and acknowledge that college football is the greatest thing ever follow it enough to be very well versed in the intricacies of the game to the point where they can play me in NCAA on PS3 and actually know what defensive plays to call in what situations, something 98% of Americans I played the game with in college didn't understand the game enough to do.


Re: Ole, Ole Ole Ole! - Jakensama - 06-14-2010

My biggest gripe about soccer is that the inventer of the vuvuyela deserves a bullet to the brainstem.


Re: Ole, Ole Ole Ole! - Moristans - 06-14-2010

Quote:Most of my Euro friends who are actual football fans follow the game with far more knowledge than your average idiot at a bar who watches football.

I meant people who aren't fans of American football.

Anyway, most of my posts in this thread have been made with my tongue firmly embedded in my cheek. I live in Los Angeles, AKA, Latin America North. Hell, my alma mater had the best high school soccer team in the nation, coached by a guy I've known since 7th grade after the city dissovled practically every other youth sport because all anybody wanted to play was soccer. I think I can have an appreciation for soccer and still poke fun at it just like I can absofuckinlutely love American Football and still see the sillyness and, yes, contradiction in that game.

Hell, I ran competitive track and field internationally. Talk about a boring assed sport only die hard fans can enjoy, another sport Euros absolutely eat up, so I'm not going to paint a picture about how people can't appreciate the poetry in a finely placed footfall on the track just because they find it boring to watch.

Like I said, in the end, it's grown men playing boys games and getting paid stupid amounts of money for it. If that's not a reason to poke fun at it, I don't know what is.


Re: Ole, Ole Ole Ole! - Breand - 06-14-2010

to whoever thinks baseball is losing popularity:

http://www.cnbc.com/id/37692194/


Re: Ole, Ole Ole Ole! - Skelas - 06-14-2010

The definitive report on soccer:

http://www.theonion.com/video/soccer-officially-announces-it-is-gay,17603/


Re: Ole, Ole Ole Ole! - Vllad - 06-14-2010

Skaag Wrote:I am starting to understand why The Purge usually doesn't last for more than a few months in any game. You see post after post of "how the game could be better". But the truth seems to be, some of you are just to stubborn and set in your ways to be bothered with learning something new or rather live in the past instead of adapting to change.

International Football is full of measurable results and comparisons between the players and teams. Problem is, you may actually have to try and learn what they are instead of reading some stat sheet or being given a 1 min break between 10 secs of plays to watch 5 replays of what just happened. That is part of the beauty of the game. International Football is a flowing sport that is constantly changing and requires players to adapt to quickly during the course of play. Sadly, a lot of this is lost on people who have never played at a truly competitive level or been exposed to a culture of fans who understand what is taking place on the field.

I gotta lawl at the "You play to win" comment. Do you know how a tournament like the World Cup works? I guess NFL and Baseball teams should quit the season as soon as they lose a game. I mean, it should be a perfect season or whats the point, right? What idiots for cont. to play and realizing that a tournament or season is about more than just one game. Or how about those "stupid" teams that rest players against weaker teams or less important games in order to prepare for the later stages. You call that idiotic, I call that strategy. A tie in the first round of the World Cup is like being 500 for other sporting teams. You try and leave yourself in a good position to finish strong when the knock out or play off stage starts.


There are three big handicaps to International Football catching on in the US.

1) Diving and asking for calls: As Jake pointed out, American don't like this. It is seen as giving up or being a baby. I agree, this is something I think FIFA needs to do a better job of addressing. Depending on the league you watch, this has become less of an issue over the past 5 years. But the nature of soccer being a flowing sport makes it hard to police for the refs. This has lead to lots of debate on the use of replays, extra refs, and sensors to assist the field ref. But applying these changes across the whole globe and every league is much harder than just making such changes in 1 league like US sports. Also, the current President of FIFA is at the stage of being more worried about his legacy than the whats best for the sport. Something I am sure you Baseball and Hockey fans can relate to.

2) Poor use of replays and highlights: A player gets fouled, dives, or shanks a shot 20 yards wide of the goal and you see it replayed from diff. angles. Yet the build up play, footwork, and passing that lead up to those plays goes unnoticed to those who may have missed it during the play. Even watching the games in HD on 50+" TVS does not allow people to pick up all the skill and ability that goes into making plays happen. Highlights and replays are the best chance to help educate the viewers or show them what they may have missed. The best example of this is usually the post game report. When they have time to use fancy video replays and graphics to to explain it. They need to find ways to apply some of this during the game and make better use of their breaks in action to showcase these moments. I would rather watch a nice build up of play that happened 10mins ago in the game, than see the coach scratching his ass on the sideline or players sub on and off. Or the classic, show 2 secs of a player skying a ball, instead of the 3-4 great passes that produced the opportunity.

3) Old/stubborn and short attention span audience: I won't go into the whole attention span part because I think most of us can agree on that one. Sadly, a lot of US sports fans seem to have a hard time following more than 2 mins of action without being given a break to stuff their face with a hot dog or analyze a dozen diff stats based on 5 secs of play. This is not something isolated to just sports in the US and North America. But can be seen in everything from politics to movies.

Americans grew up on Baseball, US Football, and Basketball. It is what has been passed down through generations and something we feel most people can relate to in some way or another. The hardcore fan can sit down at a bar with someone who barely follows the team, and they can discuss the good and bad moments together. There is enough exposure in our culture that people have a basic understanding of the sport or what is "good and bad". This isn't true of International Football. Yes it has been in youth sports for awhile now, but high school, college, and semi-pro leagues are still relatively new in the states. These are the generations that will start the tradition of passing it down to their kids and grand kids.

But Americans are resistant to change or accepting of other peoples ideals. If it isn't American, why should we care? Thankfully, this is something slowly getting phased out with each generation as they are forced to face the reality of globalization and offered better education with regards to history and how our interactions affect one another.

I bet I could spend hours trying to explain even the more minor nuances of International Soccer I have taught to young kids to someone like Vllad, and still he would not get it. Not do to lack of intelligence, but because he doesn't want or care to learn something different. Which is fine, but you really shouldn't use your ignorance as an argument against something.


You sure are making a lot of assumptions on my knowledge of Soccer. Funny I had no idea you knew what sports I have played in an organized fashion.

Just possibly it isn't my ignorance as much as Soccer is just dull to watch. I know I have tried watching it since the 70's. You do realize that pro soccer has existed since the 70's in this country right? You also know that they have had organized leagues for youth, high school and college since I was a kid in the 60's right and going back to the 40's? Soccer isn't new to this country it has tried to sell us there crap for 6 or 7 decades. If it was going to catch on it would have already. People have been saying Soccer is going to catch on in America for the last 5 decades. Still waiting...

Is it possible I am not the ignorant one here?

You love it? Good for you. Compared to the major sports in America today it is completely dull and will never compete with the major American sports in this country. Well not until you make it more like Rugby anyway. Oh wait, why do that when you can just watch Rugby. It is a nitch sport like the Olympics and always will be in America.


Vllad


Re: Ole, Ole Ole Ole! - Jakensama - 06-15-2010

Soccers problem is marketing, not being inherent boring. NASCAR has proved if you polish a terd as much as you can get most of the South to eat something up.

You would think with the European habit of having mullets would be a natural fit for the trailer park belt.


Re: Ole, Ole Ole Ole! - Skelas - 06-15-2010

I do find it hilarious that some in this thread seem to think that a persons like or dislike of soccer is somehow a reflection of their level of intelligence or is indicative of some sort of ADD disorder.

Funny stuff.


Re: Ole, Ole Ole Ole! - Jakensama - 06-15-2010

He makes a good point that our instant gratification short attention span culture doesn't lend itself to Soccer marketing itself as well into sexy little edible bites.

I don't think the ADD nature of our society is the root cause of soccers unpopularity, as that predates our modern ADD culture, but I certainly don't think saying later generations have short attention spans is an unfathomable observation on our fat instant gratification society.

But thats an inpedement to soccer's adoption, it wasn't picked up in America for a myriad of historical reasons and now the market is saturated with sports that most of the world considers equally boring.

Personally I prefer American football or baseball games as I can watch 3 simultaneously while getting wasted at a bar and I know when I can go to piss without missing something big.

Of course, there are no good sports bars here to do that, which is why as soon as our license comes through we are opening our own.


Re: Ole, Ole Ole Ole! - Dustie - 06-15-2010

I think this post prooves that the Purge can turn anything into PvP. We're kind of like dogs locked in a house with no food (no real game in the past year) -- after a while we start to eat the couch (forum PvP about Soccer and the US).


Re: Ole, Ole Ole Ole! - Jakensama - 06-15-2010

Haha, Skelas just pissed on the carpet.


Re: Ole, Ole Ole Ole! - Skelas - 06-15-2010

I'm gonna leave an upper decker at your sports bar Jakely.


Re: Ole, Ole Ole Ole! - Jakensama - 06-15-2010

The tank in german toilets is built into the wall, you wont be able to get there - we thought this through when realizing as an expat bar we will often have drunk Englishmen infesting it.


Re: Ole, Ole Ole Ole! - Moristans - 06-15-2010

Adrian Peterson would pwn Cristiano Ronaldo's face in a duel.


Re: Ole, Ole Ole Ole! - Jakensama - 06-15-2010

The only thing AP is good at is breaking his neck on the one game they let his daddy out of prison to watch.


Re: Ole, Ole Ole Ole! - Moristans - 06-15-2010

...and selling Under Armour


Re: Ole, Ole Ole Ole! - Dustie - 06-15-2010

Skaag Wrote:I am starting to understand why The Purge usually doesn't last for more than a few months in any game. You see post after post of "how the game could be better". But the truth seems to be, some of you are just to stubborn and set in your ways to be bothered with learning something new or rather live in the past instead of adapting to change.

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But Americans are resistant to change or accepting of other peoples ideals. If it isn't American, why should we care? Thankfully, this is something slowly getting phased out with each generation as they are forced to face the reality of globalization and offered better education with regards to history and how our interactions affect one another.

I bet I could spend hours trying to explain even the more minor nuances of International Soccer I have taught to young kids to someone like Vllad, and still he would not get it. Not do to lack of intelligence, but because he doesn't want or care to learn something different. Which is fine, but you really shouldn't use your ignorance as an argument against something.

I think this is Skaag's subtle way of asking us to all go and re-read "Who Moved My Cheese?"
http://www.whomovedmycheese.com/

I may write a new version called "Who moved my MMO?"


Re: Ole, Ole Ole Ole! - Dustie - 06-15-2010

Moristans Wrote:Adrian Peterson would pwn Cristiano Ronaldo's face in a duel.

With heal potions or not?


Re: Ole, Ole Ole Ole! - Moristans - 06-15-2010

Quote:But thats an inpedement to soccer's adoption, it wasn't picked up in America for a myriad of historical reasons and now the market is saturated with sports that most of the world considers equally boring.

And this pretty much sums it up. No sense in arguing about how Americans would love soccer as much as the Brazilians if we were just smarter or weren't pyschologically unstable. Our mentality gave us Football, Basketball, and Basball, three winners in my book. Maybe you are right. Maybe if you can figure out a way to polish the turd, it will sell, but it's pretty pointless trying to convince Americans it isn't a turd. If Soccer wants to compete for my entertainment dollar, it has to entertain. If the Premier League does it for you, more power to you. If I wanted my horizons expanded, I'll read a book.

I watch the World Cup because it's America against the World. It's a spectacle every four years. Luckily, the games are in the morning so they don't compete with the Lakers-Celtics. Maybe if the Americans won, the game itself would be more interesting to Americans.


Re: Ole, Ole Ole Ole! - Moristans - 06-15-2010

Quote:With heal potions or not?

Hmmm, good point. Heal and Sta pots. No speed or Str buffs though.


Re: Ole, Ole Ole Ole! - Jakensama - 06-15-2010

Look, i'll make this clear so we know for sure, here is a definative ranking of all televised sports in America from best to most boring and useless.. The fact that ratings don't correspond with this just reinforce the stupidity and inferiority of the American populace to me.

College football
Baseball
College Basketball
Golf
Poker
NFL (The TV timeouts make live NFL games incessantly boring which gets it knocked down - along with having the dumbest overtime rule on the face of the planet.. sudden death with a coin flip is worse than ties. Additional points are lost for positioning the games on Sundays and Mondays thus ensuring hangovers if they are properly viewed with at least 6 beers per quarter.).
Soccer
NBA (Both NBA and College Basketball are only good during playoffs, but the 18 month long NBA playoff season gets it docked several spots).
Ice Soccer (NHL)
MMA
Boxing
Wrestling
Reality TV
Mexican Game Shows
Infomercials
NASCAR


Re: Ole, Ole Ole Ole! - Skelas - 06-15-2010

Jake is a terrorist, he hates America.


Re: Ole, Ole Ole Ole! - Jakensama - 06-15-2010

As an American, I am far too lazy to be a terrorist.


Re: Ole, Ole Ole Ole! - Moristans - 06-15-2010

No, he's just been living in Europe too long.

Come back home Jake, come back home...